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David Douglas-Withers - Letters 1943
Mainly between his father and his housemaster at Eton
2 Fellows Road
Farnborough.
Hants
Jan 14th 43.
Dear Marsden
Thank you for your letter which I am replying to at once for obvious reasons.
RE the points you raise;
Sight. The occulist says that his sight should be all right for the Army. I do feel however that if it comes to be a choice between him and another boy all things being equal, that David would lose on his eyesight. However that's in the lap of the Gods. If there was an examination and he passed high enough he would get in as long as he had passed the sight test
His future other than the Army. I quite agree that he will not do any reading while at OCTU. I know the sort of life they have to lead well enough. I think it is a bit overdone and I have wondered whether David's physique will stand up to it! However when he has his commission he may do something if the will to work is there. I know several boys who have been working on their civil careers since OCTU days. They get plenty of Army work but they get a good deal of spare time too. I want to get his mind fixed on something definite and getting thinking about his future profession and well into the picture as to what it means as regards the work of preparation and the type of life it means. That is all I can do. The rest is up to him. I have got the examination conditions for Law and I see that he is exempt from the Preliminary. They lay a great stress on Latin and fortunately that is one of his strong subjects.
University courses. I mentioned these I know but only in the first place when he and I agreed to suggest what you described in your reply as the " status quo etc.". There was always the possibility of him taking one of these courses. He has the qualification anyway so they are a second string and with his eye handicap we want every string we can pull.
Work next half. Thank you for arranging languages for D. I feel that course is safe whatever happens.
Enlistment. He wants to try for the 60th and I shall leave it to him. I feel that here again his glasses might be a nuisance but I haven't mentioned it to him as I feel that he may get discouraged if I rub it in. I have however been very frank with him about the handicap of his sight in any of the Services with the object of easing possible disappointment.
I hope this is all clear and that we can now go ahead.
Yours sincerely
HH D-W
We had yesterday that his brother has been given a Military Cross - and immediate award!
FROM H.K. MARSDEN, ETON COLLEGE, WINDSOR. TEL. WINDSOR 20
Mar. 26 1943
Dear Douglas-Withers
David's reports are in no way derogatory to his diligence or goodwill, but in Science especially they are discouraging: as you said yourself, he has inherited no talent for Mathematics, and the same trait makes his Science difficult for him. He has been pushed ahead so far as it is prudent and perhaps more so; and this accounts for his low places in these divisions. I have tried to get him on with his Stats & Trigonometry, but it is a slow business, and he obviously does not find it at all easy. He will be taking his Certificate in July, and he will have no difficulty raising one of some kind: but his need is rather to go ahead in the subjects which he needs for the Navy, even at the cost of some of his Certificate work.
He has got afloat again, and coxed one of the trial VIII's; and there is every promise that he will be with the VIII at Henley this year. He has struck me as growing up rather rapidly at the moment, and though he never gets himself into trouble, I should not be surprised to see him kicking against the traces.
It has been a short half, and there is not really much to tell you that you do not know already or is not in the reports.
Yours sincerely
Marsden
2 Fellows Road
Farnborough.
Hants
April 19th 43.
Dear Marsden
I have been somewhat delayed in sending my usual comments on David's reports. I had to go North for two or three meetings and only got back on Friday night, and then only with a load of work to do as a result of them.
On the whole I think the reports very fair, Maths and Science are not his meat and never will be which is unfortunate in view of his Navel aspirations. However he will I am sure do his best in his somewhat disorderly way (as far as those particular subjects are concerned) and might strike a good patch at the right moment. I was talking to Guinness here last Saturday morning. He had a boy at Wickhams and tells me that he is now at New College at the Government expense for six months before going into the Navy. If David fails in the Navy exam would it be possible to get the same course for him? I gather that all that young Guinness did was to pass his school cert: and since David seems likely to do that fairly easily it might be well worthwhile considering the government plan as an alternative one for us. Streatfield and Butterwick both give David good marks and so does Clark - all very encouraging in their way.
As regards his tidiness, he gave us a somewhat pleasant surprise by writing a very good long tidy and well expressed letter. This he followed up with another, also fair and tidy, but not quite up to the standard of the first. After that he reverted to the telephone and we got no more letters. Any he can be tidy if he likes - we know that now!!
He can express himself very well indeed at times. We went to a party at Claridges on the 8th and I listened with some interest and a lot of amusement to his very decided views on a variety of questions in a conversation he was having with a woman of no mean intellect. He starts off with plenty of enthusiasm, does quite well for a time, then gets bored and ends up with a full stop and leaves tools, pens, paper and whatnot all over the place. The navy however all be the cure if we can get him in.
I am glad he's doing all right on the river. I should like him to make his mark in something at Eton. There are so few marks available for the small ones!! He is well and that present up at Neesham Abbey with a Winchester friend of his and I gather having a very good time. Hope you are well
FROM H.K. MARSDEN, ETON COLLEGE, WINDSOR. TEL. WINDSOR 20
Apr. 20 1943
Dear Douglas-Withers
Thanks for your letter of April 19.
The entry to the Navy (RNVR only) via university is only a branch of the Y scheme, and is at present in a purely experimental state having only been started last January.
The choice of University is not entirely with the boy, and this does not mean Oxford & Cambridge, but may be St Andrews, Leeds etc.
There is no hurry about this, as the course affecting David would begin in October 1944 (under 18½ on October 15th), and applications have to be in by May 1944; and of course it only leads to temporary appointments in RNVR; at present the age is 18¾), but it looks as if it will be 18½ next year in line with the other services.
This course is for six months, and he ought to get his Commission about June 1945, by which time I hope we shall be at peace. The numbers taken are not very large, but much larger than those taken for permanent commissions; and if he is not accepted, the normal Y scheme in August or September 1944 is always available.
When the time gets nearer, I can put you wise about the needful reads tape.
Yours sincerely
Marsden
July 30 1943
Eton College
Windsor
Dear Douglas-Withers
David's reports run along familiar lines, though those for science are a bit more encouraging: he will get his Certificate with plenty to spare but his age is awkwardly placed, and he will have to take the Navy Exam in Jan or Feb next year, then unless the war is over or is petering out, and the competition is reduced, I frankly do not see much hope of his success: and as it is for a permanent entry that he is destined, the other avenues are not really of much interest, as the chances of a conversion to a permanency are so nebulous as to have little value.
However, you may be glad of the facts, in case he is called up for military service; you asked about the University courses; he could take one of these beginning October 1944, or possibly that beginning April 1945; he gets six months at the University at the public expense, and is then sent to Lancing, I think for a bit; or alternatively, he can enter under the Y scheme, in which case he will be called up by them in September or October 1944, and sent to Fareham for three months, and then to sea for two months, when he picks up with the people from University: the relative merits of these are not yet clear, as there has only been one of the University courses as yet completed.
All the above presupposes that the age limits are not raised to 18½ or 19. As I'm sure they will be as soon as is feasible.
But if he fails for the RN special entry, he had much better get clear in his mind what his career is going to be, and not bank on access to the Navy through back doors, which may not be encouraged after the war.
He has had plenty to do on the river, and has consummated his career by coxing the VIII, though it was a very emasculated Henley at which he functioned: and as he had already coxed the house IV for two or three years, we let Deverell do it this year as there is little or nothing to choose between them in efficiency.
There is no sign of a swollen head, but he has a more definite idea of his own mind, though he accepts discipline without question. I do not see much hope for him in any sphere of distinction at Eton, as even if or when he grows, he will have had so little experience of anything, whether football or rowing in comparison with his equals.
I have no doubts that he works quite hard, and is genuinely anxious to pass his Navy exam. But he has an untidy mind which is at its worst in all subjects which he needs; and he is much better equipped for something dependent on a literary education than on a technical one.
Yours sincerely
Marsden
2 Fellows Road
Farnborough.
Hants
Dec 8th 43.
Dear Marsden
Thank you for your letter on David's reports. I would have answered long ere this had I not been so terribly busy with various matters. I was not too surprised to hear that he had done well in his certificates exam because you had more or less prepared us for the result he achieved, but we are nevertheless very glad it is over and grateful to you for getting him to the exam so well trained.
His reports for last half were as you rightly say - familiar and I seem to have read them now a few times!! I think we may say that he has run fairly true to form all the way through his life at Eton, that is to say insofar as his reports are concerned. He seems to have been consistent in all subjects and particularly so in his untidiness! We were of course delighted that he coxed the VIII, not so much from my point of view because it was the VIII but because he achieved what he set out to do. We went to Henley to see the race and much enjoyed the day.
We must now of course begin to take his future seriously. I do not for one moment expect him to pass the Navy exam next Jan and have no real hopes for him doing so since I became more or less familiar with the standard required and that I ferreted out over a year ago. The competition is I gather very severe and the total of entries considerable. However it will do him no harm to have a shot at it. He knows well enough that he has got to make up his mind about his future and is I think turning it well over in his mind, but what a hopeless problem for any boy of his age today!! He is in my opinion at the very worst age for a boy to have to think about his future, that is to say with things as they are. The Navy is only certain if he passes the special entry and the other two services are not I think giving regular commissions until after the war. Any other profession or way of making his daily bread is barred by his liability for service and that will in my opinion remain the state of affairs for some years since those with longer service are sure to be released first and much of the policing work after the war will have to be done by the present 18s to 21s. Perhaps by the end of next half we shall be able to see more clearly what the future holds but at the present I confess I cannot see daylight - the future is so uncertain from every point of view, that is to say the parts which will affect David most. Like so many at the end of the last war, he will be a about 24 or 25 before life is likely to approach normal again and at that age the gap between the end of his academic life and his age is too big to allow any boy taking up his studies where he left off. Apart from the fact that the life he will have lived in the meantime will have given him other interests, he would in any case hardly have any inclination to begin again.
He gives us no cause for worry, is useful, has plenty of sound ideas and a mind of his own. I feel that he will make a success of his life if only we can get him started in the right groove - and find it!
I shall I think come over to Eton to two or three days towards the end of November and have a talk with you about him. I must make up my mind how long he is going to stay at Eton. He has been farming part of the holidays with John Lees at Lytchet Minster and is now down in Wales helping with chickens, goats and gardenIng generally.
While typing this the news of Italy's surrender has just come in so perhaps the future is a little clearer than when I sat down to write to you. I think there will be plenty of jobs clearing up the mess when the war is over and if we can get David into one that will carry on for life that would I think be the best line to take at present - possibly Colonial Office or something like that. We talked about becoming an engineer and if he could master that the openings will be legion but your hopes of a technical career are pretty much like mine - not very high!
Yours sincerely
2 Fellows Road
Farnborough.
Hants
Dec 8th 43.
Dear Marsden
Some time ago I suggested running over to Eton this half to have a talk about the David's future. Unfortunately I have been down with the flu' this last two weeks and am still not allowed out and shall not be until next week. It is therefore certain that I shall not get to you this half.
I am not yet clear how this mining ballot is going to affect David. He strikes me as not possessing the bulk and strength for heavy work of that character but so far I suppose that you know no more about the types they will want than I do.
I am not basing high hopes on the Navy exam, in fact none at all. If he had the maximum of luck in his papers I feel that he would neutralise it by his untidy work which seems to get more so as time goes on. I think next half will disclose his future rather more clearly than this but it looks as if I shall have to take him away from Eton at the end of next term unless there is any good reason to keep him on. You will of course want to know your vacancies for the summer half so if David can stay on I must take my chance. All being well I will run over after his Navy exam and see what the situation is then.
I was glad to see the House do so well in the Field and am sorry I was not there instead of in bed. I hope you haven't had a lot of trouble with this flu epidemic.
Yours sincerely
Dec 10th 43.
Dear Douglas-Withers
Thanks for your letter of December 8. I am sorry you have been sick, and this doubtless explains why we have not got any further about David's future: I have had some talk with him, and have urged him to make up his mind about next half, more than once. I cannot agree with you that it can be left until after the Navy Exam, as the half will be 9 week old.
I shall be here most of the holidays, in fact all of them except between December 27 and Jan 11; and I think that we all to have a talk about every aspect of his plans.
I do not see the point of his leaving at Easter, unless the reason is financial, as he will be adrift for three or four months; and so long as he is here, he is covered till September. I rather thought that he would want to enter the RNVR, if he was required in any public service; and if this is so, he must take steps about it before he registers in March.
You say: " all being well, I will run over after his Navy Exam, and see what the situation is then": but we cannot make alterations in our arrangements after the half begins, and it cannot be said that the Navy examination affects his plans, as the results will not be out until late in April.
Yours sincerely
Marsden
2 Fellows Road
Farnborough.
Hants
Dec 10th 43.
Dear Marsden
I had intended to run over to Eton at the earliest possible minute off to November 11th but this flu has upset my plans. As a rule I recovered from any health upset very quickly but in this case I'm finding it difficult to pull up again.
I had a talk with David on the phone two or three nights ago and are asked him to meet me in Town next Thursday when I hope to get something out of him. I gather he is going to stay and fire watch for some days? He is at present in a very undecided state of mind about what he wants to join and mentioned enlisting in the 60th or 12th Lancers for his war service. Whether he can do this or not I don't know at the moment as things have changed since I was serving. However I will put the situation to him on Thursday and I suggest that I come over and see you on Tuesday the 21st. I can get to Windsor at about 1130 and will come straight to you if that will suit. We can then take David out to lunch and if you a free and would care to join us we shall of course be delighted. I suggested coming over after the navy exam because I thought you would be away during the holidays and not really ready for interviews until things have got started again the next half.
Unless I hear from you to the contrary I shall assume that the 21st is all right. As regards taking David away from Eton after next half I felt that he has got as far as he will get and that keeping him on a was merely a waste of money. It isn't exactly a matter of finance since I had always intended to see David through Eton and do it partly on capital if necessary. That I have had to do since I ceased to serve last year as my income then fell to about quarter of what it was before the war. The war hit me very hard since my main means of earning money - The Tatoo - came to an end. My return to the active list compensated partly but nothing like wholly and now I am on retired pay again. I may have many opportunities of earning again if peace comes soon but I'm not getting any younger and my particular type of work requires a tremendous effort which has to be sustained at pretty high pressure as long as may be necessary but seldom less than some months at a time. However things are of course not as bad as they look since there is so little to spend money on and at the moment we are without a house and its attendant expenses. I can't say I like it but we are told by all and sundry how lucky we are and not to take a house at any price. We can't get one anyway or rather we can't get around to see houses.
Owner of original | Myles |
Date | 1943 |
Linked to | David Bethell Everett Douglas-Withers |
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